Re False Advertising in line weights - update - Kling, Barry W.


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Peter - 
 
I feel as you do about longer rods. These are measurements I took from a rod
I own, a Phillipson PowerPakt 8.5' 5wt piece, and it's the sweetest casting
5wt 81/2ft rod I've used. It's a varnished rod, not impregnated like later
Phillipson's, so was probably made in the early 1950's. Not everyone likes
this style of taper but it's got a good pedigree - Phillipson used Granger's
tapers with some modifications. This was measured over varnish of average
thickness, so I'd deduct about 0.004" for the actual bamboo dimension. I
noted when my measurement wasn't exactly at the usual 5" interval for taper
specs, due to ferrules and the like, but a little extrapolation will get you
close enough. It has a distinctly swelled butt, though I think you could use
a more moderate swell and get a very similar-casting rod. At least, that's
what happened when I used the taper. It has lots of reserve power and flexes
enough in the butt to roll cast like a dream, but when you cast gently the
top third of the rod gives you a very delicate and accurate cast. Have
fun....
 
Barry
 
 
 
 
Phillipson PowerPakt 8'6" 5wt 3 piece
                                 
                                 
In.
from Tip     Taper         Notes
                                 
0               0.080         bottom of tiptop
5               0.097         
10             0.120         
15             0.134         
20             0.149         
25             0.160         
30             0.163         
35             0.163         At ferrule base 32 1/2 0.163
40             0.188         At ferrule base 2 1/2 0.180
45             0.211         
50             0.223         
55             0.241         
60             0.241         
65             0.241         At ferrule base 32 1/2   0.250
70             0.250         At ferrule base 2.75  0.275
75             0.282         
80             0.294         
85             0.307         
90             0.324         
95             0.375         
100           0.375         
105           0.375         102" long
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter A. Collin [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 3:51 PM
To: Rodmakers
Subject: Re: False Advertising in line weights - update
 
I just went out and cast the same rod I mentioned in my earlier post.  This
morning I tried it with a 5 and a 6.  I just tried it with a 7 and an 8.  I
have come to the conclusion that the rod is a 7/8.  Now, I am rather peeved
about this, because I did not want a 7/8, I wanted the 5 weight I set out to
build.  The taper was listed as a 5 weight in the book I got it from.  It
does not cast a 5 very well at all.  You can not feel the rod loading behind
you on the backcast.  My blank came out nicely, cosmetically and so forth,
but I don't even feel like finishing it anymore.  I guess the moral to the
story is that you are taking somebody's taper dimensions completely on faith
unless you get to cast a similar rod beforehand.  Maybe someday I will
attend a rodmaker's gathering, and defy anybody to tell me he likes the way
the rod casts with a 5 weight.  I simply can not believe that personal taste
is my problem with the taper.
 
Which leads to another question - does anybody have a good taper for an 8
1/2 foot 5 weight?  That is what this rod was supposed to be.  I know many
bamboo guys like short rods, but I am not one of them.  I can get over a
little extra weight for the better distance and line control a long rod
gives.  I was intrigued by John Geirach's writing how his favorite rod is an
8 1/2 foot 5 weight Mike Clark.  I heard a rumor that Clark's rod may be a
bit of a noodle.  But I was heartened when I built an 8 1/2 foot rod for a
buddy this spring.  It was a Ray Gould 6 weight taper.  When I got done, it
turned out to be a 6/7, but I really loved the way it cast.  I was tempted
to built another rod based on the same taper, but to shave a few thousandths
off and try for a 5.  Problem is, the tip measurement is only about .065
inches on the original taper.  I don't know if I would trust a tip any
smaller than that.  Any suggestions/anecdotes?
 
Peter Collin

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