Re Blasphemy - Ron Grantham
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Robert -
I create my own tapers -- isn't that what individualism and creativity =
are all about? Rod tapers are like wine; there are no bad ones, it's =
just that some are better than others.
The rod in question was designed using a DOS computer program created by =
John Bokstrom, and a lot of trials and errors.=20
This rod has three sections and was made specifically for floating lines =
and skating deer hair flies for west coast steelhead. The rod is a bit =
too soft for heavy sinking lines and large flies. It was also designed =
to be hollow-built with spliced ferrules. I use a Rio Mid-Spey 6/7 line =
and can routinely Spey-cast 80-90 feet with it.
The joints have a 25:1 slope, tapering to .060". The spliced ferrule =
overlaps are: butt to mid: 7.86"; mid to tip: 4.57". The finished rod =
should be exactly 12 feet long. The joints are held together with =
transparent tape. You'll find an article on making spliced joints in the =
next issue of The Planing Form.
All that said, here is the taper:
0 0.1112
5 0.1215
10 0.1380
15 0.1616
20 0.1816
25 0.1981
30 0.2130
35 0.2276
40 0.2410
45 0.2547
50 0.2684
55 0.2819
60 0.2951
65 0.3086
70 0.3222
75 0.3361
80 0.3498
85 0.3635
90 0.3775
95 0.3913
100 0.4059
105 0.4202
110 0.4348
115 0.4501
120 0.4652
125 0.4802
130 0.4950
135 0.5100
140 0.5250
144 0.5368
If you pass the taper along to someone else, please tell them where you =
got it from.
Ron
http://home.istar.ca/~flyfishr/index.htm
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From: Robert Sherrill=20
To: =20
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: Blasphemy
Ok Ron,
Where do you find the tapers for these long rods?
Robert
robin HAYWOOD <> wrote:
And I for one will be fascinateed to know how you get on.
Robin
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From: Ron Grantham=20
To: Robin Haywood ; =20
Cc: ; Troy Miller ; and Collecting=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: Blasphemy
Robin et al -
Actually, I'm trying to see how light a big rod can be made. Each =
new hollow rod that I make has a progressively smaller wall thickness. =
The ferrules have been dispensed with and I'm now using aluminum for the =
fittings. Also using snake guides with a carbide stripper. I'll keep =
making thinner walls and trying to break the rods on large fish until I =
find out. The latest rod is another 12-footer, but for an 8/9 line. The =
rod weighs in at 11 oz even.
Ron
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From: Robin Haywood=20
To: ; flyfish@chartermi.net=20
Cc: ; Troy Miller ; and Collecting=20
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: Blasphemy
In the nicest possible way I do,actually,think that you are =
utterly,barking, mad.
But I'm so delighted that there is even one person here who isnt =
so straight that you could calibrate parallel lines using their heads =
that I support you 300%.
In this example,although certainly not in the former,I can see a =
glimmer of hope.
We would probably call this a light double handed grilse rod in =
the UK.
And if you can get it out at 11ozs without compromising the =
action you have a very useable rod indeed.
This was one of the reasons I came back into cane a couple of =
years ago,pushing the envelope I call it.
Using modern techniques,ideas,and materials how far can we go?
We can certainly calculate the answer to that,once we know the =
highest youngs modulus we can consistently get cane =
to...........................
But that is by no means the whole answer.
Everyone knows that some rods feel and fish heavier than others =
of the same weight ,so the question then becomes how long and how stiff =
(Oh,alright,if you insist then,powerful.)
can we make a flyrod using cane without its weight being an =
issue.
I dont know the answer to that.
But with the help of people like Ron Grantham I am going to find =
out.
Thanks for the response Ron.
Robin
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From: Ron Grantham=20
To: =20
Cc: ; jsschaeffer@hotmail.com ; =
Troy Miller ; and Collecting=20
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: Blasphemy
It weighs 11-1/2 oz with brass fittings. The rod can be seen =
at http://home.istar.ca/~flyfishr/Rods.htm It is the second from the =
bottom. Hollowing probably removes about an ounce or two on a rod that =
size, but I've never measured. The rod feels lighter in the hand than =
other solid Spey rods I've made. I used brass fittings because I like =
the "old" look, and for balancing the St John reel that I use.=20
I'm currently finishing off another 12' rod, also hollow with =
spliced joints, but with aluminum fittings. This rod is for an 8/9 line =
and it weighs 11 oz.
Ron
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Greg Kuntz=20
To: =20
Cc: ; jsschaeffer@hotmail.com ; =
Troy Miller ; and Collecting=20
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: Blasphemy
How much does it weigh? How much weight did you take off by =
hollow building?
Ron Grantham wrote:
Robin -
Damn! I've been told that I was a lunatic but didn't know =
it until now. I've recently finished a 12 ft rod for a 6/7 line. That's =
pretty close to your criteria for a lunatic's rod. It is hollow-built =
with spliced joints and is the sweetest little Spey rod for steelhead =
that you could ever hope to cast. BTW, it's wrapped with silk.
Ron
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From: Robin Haywood=20
To: ; Troy Miller ; and =
Collecting=20
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Blasphemy
It does not need to be resolved for no resolution is =
necessary.
There are no bad materials,only bad applications,as any =
engineer will tell you.
If you wish to design,say,an eleven foot rod rated for a =
six line,for fishing so-called traditional Irish Loch Style method =
fishing then only a fully sectioned lunatic would choose to make this in =
cane.
I also(currently,but I may change this opinion with =
further experiment) think that any rod of 8.5 feet or less is probably =
nicer in cane.
Having said all this I realise that I have missed the =
main point.
We are all able to make the rods we want in the taper we =
want in cane.
Apart from the very few bloated plutocrats amongst us we =
are unable to do this in carbon or any other composite.
Today,that is.
God willing I still have a hankering to try out the =
Richard Walker laminar hex concept,but please don't ask or I'll join =
Ackland on the banned list!
Long overdue,some would say.
Except possibly, Mr Channer,who has supported my to such =
an extent that I am one day going to pack industrial quantities of the =
single still malt and go and visit!
Sorry,John,hope you will forgive me,but you are one of =
the very few truly open minded people who will take built cane foreword.
Unfortunately,for some of you,Ackland is another.
Robin
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jeff Schaeffer=20
To: Troy Miller ; and Collecting=20
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Blasphemy
The synthetics vs. cane argument has gone on for =
years and will never be resolved, at least until we get a significant =
fraction of graphite users to actually cast or fish a cane rod.
Jeff Schaeffer
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