Re convex tapers - David Bolin


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Gary Nicholson said:
"Ok so what we need=20
  to take into account is really not just the rise but resistance to bendin=
g=20
  over the whole section. Dips hinges ECT will in effect slow the rod down.=
Just=20
  thinking so really the most resistance to bending would be in a convex=20
  taper."
Gary & others,

I'm a little late getting into this conversation.  But I've done a lot of r=
esearch on this using a deflection model.  Just thought someone might find =
it interesting.  Glad to hear that Al has built a deflection model.  Maybe =
Larry can add something like that to RodDNA some day.  My research included=
 444 3wt to 6wt hex tapers from the RodDNA database.  The distribution of t=
aper designs is very interesting...to a numbers geek like me.   Over the fu=
ll length of the tapers (not individual sections), the designs fall into a =
clearly defined band of convex to concave tapers.  The overall tip deflecti=
on can be identical from convex to concave with diametrically opposed slope=
s.  But the convex and concave tapers will feel very different (e.g. Young =
vs. Dickerson).  That's one of the really cool things about bamboo rods.  T=
hey can be designed to have about the same overall deflection but fit entir=
ely different casting strokes. =20

So...will a convex taper be more resistant to bending than a concave taper?=
  No.  Not if you take into account the overall bending characteristics of =
the rod from butt to tip.  Convex and concave tapers can have the same over=
all tip deflection.  My research is posted on the blog.  I've explained the=
 methods I used in detail and summarized the results in several charts and =
tables.  One of my favorites is a table the compares the overall design cha=
racteristics by maker.  Most makers dabbled in both convex and concave desi=
gns.  But there are a few that pushed it to the limit...like Young and Pezo=
n convex tapers, and Divine and Dickerson concave tapers.  I've extrapolate=
d a series of standard tapers from a series of Payne's, Garrison's and Youn=
g's that cover the full range of designs from convex to concave.  All of my=
 standard tapers have the same relative deflection for each respective line=
 weight and rod length.  It's going to take a few years to make them all bu=
t I'm off to a good start.

If anyone's interested go to the blog and select the "tapers" category from=
 the menu on the left.  Scroll down to "Taper Research #1" and read the fou=
r taper research posts in order.  They won't make sense if you don't start =
with the first post.  Actually, they probably won't make sense anyway.  But=
 it was fun doing the research. =20

By the way, standard taper number 1 is pretty cool.  It's a "concave" taper=
.  I've made it in a 7.5ft 2pc 5wt and a 7ft 4pc 4wt.  Both are sweet rods.=
  The taper design is similar to a Payne 101.  Standard taper numbers 2 and=
 4 are roughed in and ready to plane for 7ft 4wts, 7.5ft 5wts, and 8ft 6wts=
.  If anyone uses these tapers please let me know how they turn out.

David Bolin
Making bamboo fly rods and fishing the Ozarks=20
www.searcysowbug.blogspot.com



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Gary Nicholson said:

"Ok so what we need=20 to take into account is really not just the rise but resistance to bendin= g=20 over the whole section. Dips hinges ECT will in effect slow the rod down.= Just=20 thinking so really the most resistance to bending would be in a convex=20 taper."

Gary & others,

I'm a little late getting into this conversation.=   But I've done a lot of research on this using a deflection model.&nb= sp; Just thought someone might find it interesting.  Glad to hear that= Al has built a deflection model.  Maybe Larry can add something like = that to RodDNA some day.  My research included 444 3wt to 6wt hex tape= rs from the RodDNA database.  The distribution of taper designs is ver= y interesting...to a numbers geek like me.   Over the full length= of the tapers (not individual sections), the designs fall into a clearly d= efined band of convex to concave tapers.  The overall tip deflection c= an be identical from convex to concave with diametrically opposed slopes.&n= bsp; But the convex and concave tapers will feel very different (e.g. Young= vs. Dickerson).  That's one of the really cool things about bamboo ro= ds.  They can be designed to have about the same overall deflection bu= t fit entirely different casting strokes. 

So...will a convex = taper be more resistant to bending than a concave taper?  No.  No= t if you take into account the overall bending characteristics of the rod f= rom butt to tip.  Convex and concave tapers can have the same overall = tip deflection.  My research is posted on the blog.  I've explain= ed the methods I used in detail and summarized the results in several chart= s and tables.  One of my favorites is a table the compares the overall= design characteristics by maker.  Most makers dabbled in both convex = and concave designs.  But there are a few that pushed it to the limit.= ..like Young and Pezon convex tapers, and Divine and Dickerson concave tape= rs.  I've extrapolated a series of standard tapers from a series of Pa= yne's, Garrison's and Young's that cover the full range of designs from con= vex to concave.  All of my standard tapers have the same relative defl= ection for each respective line weight and rod length.  It's going to = take a few years to make them all but I'm off to a good start.

If an= yone's interested go to the blog and select the "tapers" category from the = menu on the left.  Scroll down to "Taper Research #1" and read the fou= r taper research posts in order.  They won't make sense if you don't s= tart with the first post.  Actually, they probably won't make sense an= yway.  But it was fun doing the research. 

By the way, st= andard taper number 1 is pretty cool.  It's a "concave" taper.  I= 've made it in a 7.5ft 2pc 5wt and a 7ft 4pc 4wt.  Both are sweet rods= .  The taper design is similar to a Payne 101.  Standard taper nu= mbers 2 and 4 are roughed in and ready to plane for 7ft 4wts, 7.5ft 5wts, a= nd 8ft 6wts.  If anyone uses these tapers please let me know how they = turn out.

David Bolin
Making bamboo fly rods and fishing the Ozar= ks
www.searcysowbug.blogspot.com



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